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Not knowing if a response is you or them isn't necessarily parroting, per se - more not paying attention or otherwise making unnecessary assumptions when accepting a lack of knowledge would be more honest.

Parroting may actually lead to slower results, at least when it comes to your perception of how things are moving along. It tends to lead to confusion between which thoughts are yours and which are your tulpa's, meaning it will take longer for you to determine whether your tulpa is truly vocal or not

Regardless, there's no rush to creating a tulpa. It's best to force without the use of crutches for the optimal experience and to save yourself a headache later on.

On parroting, I am not quite sure where I stand. I have used "not-parroting" in the past, where I deliberately attempt to judge the difference between my own attempts to parrot and when normally forcing. However, I have not done a lot of normal-parroting at all.

11:41 PM

I think there are two sides to it. Parroting builds up "the tulpa" in your head and starts to give you a strong sense of identity and personality and all that, but I think it also does a lot to link those thoughts to "I am thinking these". It may well be that a good middle ground is an old guide I remember that advocated a ton of parroting then cutting that off "cold turkey" and trying to build up the "otherness" from there.

I've never fathomed the thought of parroting. I've seen warnings not to do it, though I wonder if I am parroting Celeste, let alone Rhea or Vincent...

11:43 PM

Celeste I'm sure I am not parroting, though when it comes to Rhea and Vincent, something seems off when I communicate with them.

One issue I am majorly concerned with is that parroting builds a habit of pretending that your thoughts are your tulpa.

11:44 PM

As opposed to the alternative of letting them start to think more naturally.

11:44 PM

It blurs the lines to an excessive extent and could lead one to discard actual responses as not being them because they don't have the same qualities that they do when you pretend to be them - as they naturally wouldn't.

Here's a question, would imagining and deliberately saying "this is me imitating my tulpa" count as parroting?

11:45 PM

or does parroting have to imply "I am stepping in and speaking "for" my tulpa?" (edited)

...I would say the latter, personally.

11:45 PM

But, perhaps that is due to not understanding what you mean in the former.

Like, thinking in the tulpa's voice as you might think "as another person"

11:46 PM

like if you think in your head and pretend you are donald trump

11:46 PM

you adopt the mannarisms, you adopt the means of speaking, and so on

Hm.

11:47 PM

I would say that is a type of parroting then, yes - certainly so if it is done for long periods of time.

11:47 PM

Isolated times, you could still call it such but I doubt it would have as much of an impact.

Oh, do you mean something like where if I am too busy to switch to Angel's thought processes and so not disrupt the flow of being "Harleen", how I will just imagine asking her a question, and imagine what she would most likely say in response?

Like that, yeah, and wondering if that would be distinct from you actually "speaking as" angel

I would say so, I have been wrong a few times in what she would think, but I am mostly correct.

Like, I almost feel like I want to say that parroting is "impossible" in that i fyou can trigger the same suite of subtle tells that identify something as "tulpa is speaking" then you are the tulpa in that moment

11:49 PM

or that parroting might inherently be a process where you undo those tells and make them out to be, or force them to be "you" in a moment, and once we are at that point I'd say that is almost certainly harmful.

11:50 PM

Where-as immitation-forcing or immitation-parroting would be distinct from that

accidentally parroting is most likely not possible, and the fear of doing so (parrotnoia as it's called) is something they've made multiple threads on tulpa.info about

Well, to me it is different, because I am not seeing the world as "Angel" I am using a lens to see it as "Harleen", and then adding a lens of "Angel" on top of my own.

11:52 PM

I do think that is why I can be inaccurate.

You are inaccurate because you are not using the "lens" when you make one of those guesses, or for some other reason?

"Accidental parroting" may be more appropriately called a "false positive assumption".

I would think it is because I am using what is my perspective to try and perceive what Angel would normally perceive. So, I am using my lens and adding Angel's lens strangely on top of my own.

The fears of accidental parroting are misplaced - under the definition of parroting, you can't do it accidentally. What people are likely talking about are intrusive/stray thoughts, which do not arise consciously and can be misattributed as words or actions from the tulpa

I get what you're saying in that case, if the lenses were red and blue you'd be seeing purple instead of blue

Yes, so it is strange and slightly different from what is accurate.

I take it back

Take what back?

A comment I deleted on what accidental parroting may be (edited)

Oh, I see. I do not remember which it was, I apologize.

No problem, I like to leave some sort of trace when I delete a comment just in case

Alright.

@Reguile You could edit it to say "Removed for X reason".

That's a good idea, I might try it if I remember in the future

so random question y'all

2:24 AM

if I ask something to my tulpa

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do you think I've spent enought time with you lately

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and I get a response no

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and I ask, is this you

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and get a response, yes

2:25 AM

should I treat it as my tulpa

I'd say so, yes

yes

I was going to say probably not

...of course you should

2:26 AM

why would you think you shouldn't?

Single-word responses to loaded questions like that aren't necessarily valid. You need more context and reason to decide either way, I think.

cause when I ask, I do my best not to have bias towards one answer or the other, and the thought yes will enter my head before I finish formulating a sentence

that's because they understand intent over everything

well, she shares a head, you don't have to finish "saying" the sentence.

aye

that is one thing that irritates me is that Ikari refuses to wait for me to complete a sentence and it throws me off (although it's an easy way to tell her from me)

then talk to her about that

2:27 AM

Em feels the same way usually

2:27 AM

Intent over everything

2:28 AM

they know what you're about to "say" because they're in your head reading your thoughts (edited)

my goodness this is still so weird having an internal dialogue that isn't entirely mine

how old is Ikari now?

2:29 AM

out of curiosity

hmmm well 5-11 so.....two weeksish?

2:29 AM

29-11 = 18 so 18 days

yeah well, i felt like i was going mad at least a month or two in. still do occasionally

I seriously wouldn't bet on those being the responses of your tulpa. Your best bet is moments where you are speaking about something and you "get thoughts" without asking a question, from amid the chaos of the moment to moment.

@Reguile that's never though

Two weeks isn't a long time

I can definitely sense a more intense presence compared to when I started, I felt basically alone, like I was making a shell of a person and it was empty but now I feel an aura of.....companionship is the word that comes to me

Em and i communicated through head pressures for about at least a month before i started learning to "hear" her

the other day I was super angry and raging while walking along a major highway (I do that sometimes, go on walks to vent) and I had basically finished my tirade and suddenly an image of a white cat popped into my head....I'm certain it was Ikari in her 2nd form

mkay

so I know tups change their forms but how common is it to just change clothing?

depends on the tulpa and your ability to visualize

my ability to visualize is stupidly good

and yet your creativity is nonexistant?

...yupppp

how can you be good at visualization, with no ability to create?

or at least, based on my understanding of creativity as a word

2:35 AM

@Talin I dont know, I can easily see stuff that exists

why do you claim to not have any creativity?

give him a line puzzle

2:37 AM

just a squiggle most folk could create a bird, shark, or wave, from, and he just sees a line and refuses to see anything branching from that line

if I visualize an image of a Glock....I can see all the texture, the stamps, etc. If I visualize firing it, I can feel it in my hands and hear the blast. I can visualize with multiple senses. But if you show me a circle and say, do something with this.....I'll probably just give up.

i'm not being an ass, this happened

...can we try again?

2:38 AM

I was quite tired the other night

again, not being an ass, just answering a question

2:39 AM

sure. give me a minute. i have to think and figure out how to get the image here without the rest of my monitor

uhhh ok

2:39 AM

maybe in #lounge so the mods don't flip out

fair enough

#We can change clothes all the time! Just like anyone else. It's just imagination, after all.#

I would not assume it was the tulpa, no. Many people, not related to tulpas, can ask themselves a yes or no question and get a response that seems like they were not the creators of the response.